Velocity Limit Changes

[Matt]

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

[Seagreen]

It states in the SAW/LMG spec what is and what is not a LMG. (notice it says kit or specific replica) An itemized list will be created if there is any confusion over the accepted replicas designs.

SAW owners qualify. Admins will police unsafe play and deal with it accordingly.

[Billdozer]

Well I'm not against this rule, but unless there is a fairly involved qualification (like play x number of games, attend this safety course, etc), then I don't like it.

[Matt]

Also note that some other organizations use a 420-450 fps limit for ALL fully automatic AEGs, and have conducted safe games for a long time with those limits. We're only raising the limit for a small percentile of AEGs, in hopes to better define the specific roles on the battlefield.

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

So, all I have to do is buy a G3/SG1, slap on a new handguard, and a new stock, and I can take it to 450fps.
http://www.hkpro.com/image/hk112.jpg
Thats an HK21.

Or how about an M14 squad automatic - it was used a SAW at one point . . . . shoot, I just might pick up an M14, and start doing a little custom work.
http://www.bubbascafe.com/military/rifles/m14/m14a1.jpg

[yandle]

This should be pushed as hard as the sniper qualifications if not harder because of the ROF.

[Seagreen]

The community/Admins will adequately police unsafe behavior 5686. If people are really in question of the person using the LMG, make it known. If it is a pretty universal problem, it can be dealt with accordingly.

Also, dont look at the 450fps as the norm, it will be the ceiling. Most will be in the 425-435 range with the type of upgrades available.

[terror management]

this rule is to add a little more realism to the game. i know our heavy gunner is going to be delighted

[Pope_Alex_Kaeda_I]

I spent a lot of time thinking about this. I went and re-watched a couple videos, and took a look at photos, thinking about individual players.

This is only going to encourage one thing - more people with SAW type weapons. Every booger eater who can put his hands on a AK47, or G36 is going to - because they're the easiest to convert into a SAW type weapon. I dont think it matters if we say "you cant make Ciener belt fed M16's, or Shrikes, or Colt/Diemaco H-Bar M16 SAW's", the guys who see a way to raise their fps 450 are going to grab a different platform.

How about when the Full Auto Gun Squad, and the Newborne Rangers. They come in with regular rifles, then rapidly convert into a SAW heavy unit. They're too inexperienced to have a clue about the durability of design, and they honestly dont care. They're after the almighty FPS.

Im going to use another example. At the Zombie game, I was teamed up with a couple guys to form the MI6 team. We made it into the city - and in theory we were supposed to be firing semi-automatic (short bursts to keep type two gearboxes from locking up). In practice Kendo was laying on the ground, being a zombie, and every time he would twitch, one of the guys I was with would dump his G36 on Kendo, at pretty short range. And in theory this player was an 'Experienced Player'.

I honestly believe that if that player had been carrying a MG36, he would have done the exact same thing (excessive fire, at dangerously short range). And I dont think that it matters that it was Kendo (because some out there reading this are saying "Oh, its just Kendo"). I think you could drop anyones name in to that position, and its going to happen. I like the guys I was teamed up with - dont get me wrong - but I see them as a typical example of quite a few players out there. And I think that theres entirely too many people who are dangerous.

How about another example. Yuri/SniperC4. He's come a long way from when he was a bleeding cherry wearing that Navy SEAL patch and pissing in everyones cheerios. There's some of us who would even call him 'friend'. Think about a year or two ago . . . . . . would you want him carrying a 450fps gun? I like Cody - I call him friend - I dont want him carrying a 450fps gun. Think about all the kids who remind you of how Cody was - do you want them carrying a 450fps gun?

Guys, I know its unpopular to say, I know Im going against 90% of you, but I really dont think this is a good idea. I really truely honestly believe this is unsafe. We're in an unsafe sport already, and I just see this as pushing it further from safety.

SAW's and similar weapons have an advantage in that they're designed to really spray down bb's for an extended period of time. Instead of looking to raise the fps limits for SAW's, why not look at restricting drum-type magazines to SAW type weapons, and using the "Must Look Like Its Real Counterpart" to determine what a SAW type weapon is.

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